Prelude of Winter Season

Monday, October 29, 2012

Some interesting facts:

1)No race can have less than eight horses and more than 14 horses except for Sweepstakes races.


2)Maximum number of races per day will be 9.


3)HRC is the only centre which gives stakes for 5th and 6th places also for Handicap races.


4)Top weight  of all handicap races should be 60kgs and in case if top rated horse weight is less than 60kgs it will be raised to 60kgs and weights of all other horses will be raised relatively

5)No apprentice is permitted to ride in any race for 3 year olds until he/she shall have ridden in atleast ten races. No Apprentice is  permitted to ride in any race for 2 year olds until he/she shall have ridden ten winners.

Professionals

Trainers

D Netto:Had just 3 winners  in Monsoon season.Stables have good fleet of  50 horses under his charge now.Winter Season is his forte and one can  safely assume that his stables will come out firing all guns in winter season.

Narayan Rao:Spent Monsoon in reducing handicap of his wards. Just 27 horses left under his charge,winner count of his stables is usually higher in Winter season,he will try to win races to win back the trust of owners.Should be carefully watched and followed.

Laxman Singh:His stables had very good Monsoon season thanks to some good youngsters and very talented P A Culhane whose guidance his helping them to improve horse performances.Usually his percentage of winning is higher in Monsoon,Winter runs are used to reduce handicaps,yet they manage to get nearly 15-20.

Prasad Raju:Baring winter season of 2010-2011 his stables have performed extremely well in Winters,last year had dream run,should be followed

Anant Vatsalya:Winter season is used to reduce handicap,his horses should not be backed,,,they may just win few races {below 7}.

Anupam Sharma:Lot of entries from this stables on all race days,usually strikes when odds are in favor {between 4-8}.


Jockeys:

All the jockeys which have been retained by stables will do well.

Christopher seems to have improved his wayward habits and sincerely trying to make a comeback.



Track

This is what a winter race track is all about according to official website of HRC.


The Winter Race Track is tan bark based and is used during the winter period between November and February is 70' or 21.4 meters wide while the track length is about 2150 meters.


What is a Tanbark?

Shredded bark from which the tannin has been extracted, used to cover circus arenas, racetracks, and other surfaces.In other words track is same like a pathway found in forests or other woody area

.Difference between Monsoon track and Winter Track

Monsoon track is sand based,penotrometer reading ranges from 3.5 to as high as 5.4.Timings are slower  when compared to Winter.Front runners have advantage on this track.Wear and tear to horse is minimal on this track and hence many classic and costly horses are run only on this track.Track is wider which allows multiple horses extending themselves in case of close finish.

Winter track is hard and as such penotrometer reading ranges from 2 to max 3.2.Timings are relatively faster.Wear and tear to horses is higher on this track.Track is relatively narrow when compared to Monsoon track.

Needless to say that transition from monsoon track to Winter track is not easy for most of the horses.In fact some horses perform well only on winter tracks.

It is indeed very difficult for speed rating analyst to assess the exact potential of horses based on their performances in Monsoon season and if they look for previous year winter runs they are bound to commit a mistake as no horse remains the same after one year.

It will be ideal if for first few meetings only the horses which have reduced handicap in Monsoon season are considered

Horses which are tracked on outergrass {OG} will be on job.

Following horses can do well in early part of the season.

Al Sarah:Impressive winner ,can repeat in distance of 1200-1400
El paso:Ready to strike in same age group in distance of 1400-1800.
Hidden Power:Something brewing in it,watch out when runs next time in distance of 1000-1200
Iapetus:Knocking door,can win in same age group race in distance upto 1600mts.
Perfect:Getting ready for big coup
Suchiman:In 5yrs up race with 57 kgs weight in distance of 1200-1400

34 comments:

Anonymous,  October 29, 2012 at 4:58 PM  

Excellent. Very interesting to note.

speedrating October 29, 2012 at 7:29 PM  
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Vincero October 29, 2012 at 7:35 PM  

Dear Speedrating

Yes it is one way of doing which also will give good results.

I usually convert Monsoon track timings into Winter track timings by subtracting {Penotrometer difference}*1.5 +effect of weight difference over that distance.

One other way is to look for day value.Iam developing this method which will act as better replacement for penotrometer readings.

speedrating October 29, 2012 at 7:37 PM  

Dear Vincero

Had a Glance Now.. On the Dot.

Regarding Monsoon track and the Winter Track is Roughly 1.5 Seconds Difference.

If I calculate same animal which has Ran in Monsoon track and now running in winter track than I will [Minus 1.5seconds]

Than Balancing of winter animals timing and the calculation of monsoon runners timing will be intact.

Same above If it is Monsoon track which ran in winter track than it will be added 1.5Seconds.

than Choice based on other parameters.

with Warm Regards

Anonymous,  October 30, 2012 at 1:41 AM  

Well this discussion now seems interesting with one blogger writing on other blogger's page, but its nice for a punter like me...so keep blogging and stick to your fortes, hopefully both guys (speed rating & vincero) performance gets better, best of luck to both of you -- Mr T

Anurag,  October 30, 2012 at 5:35 PM  

Great write up, thanks. But, PA Culhane a talented jockey? That is a bad one.

Vincero October 30, 2012 at 6:07 PM  

He is giving valuable inputs which is immensely helpful in improving performances of Horses...Great Warrior is one such example...

Anurag,  October 30, 2012 at 7:22 PM  

hmm, as a rider, he is pathetic. One more question, why are the stewards so lenient towards reversal of forms in Hyd? In particular, demotees. They would be faring miserably in upper class, like 15-20 lengths behind & suddenly come into money in lower class & win.

Vincero October 30, 2012 at 7:27 PM  

Give specific names..may be i can give rational explanations if there are any

Anurag,  October 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM  

To name a few:
Ache For Love R#147-108
Days Of Thunder R#43-23
Eloquence R#110-78
Fine Racer R#132-26
Hard Kingdom R#75-11
Kohinoor Fighter R#149-72
Kohinoor Mystic R#100-73
Kohinoor Pride R#150-91

I'm sure there would be plenty more.

Vincero October 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM  

Ache For love,Eloquence,-->+Ve switch of rider and shoes..this are enough pointers of Horse being extended.
Fine Racer gave impressive mockrace and then won.
Hard Kingdom ran easy in very tough set and in next outing won as fav in 5yrs old race.

For next three iam not giving any explanations coz they extend their horses at their whims and fancies.They do recieve warnings for the same
There is a certain pattern in running
Anyways horses not always run to win..there is certain planning involved..there is a rating factor..There are many horses which are in form of love which means they can win on trot but in no time they will reach top ratings.Connections plan according to potential of horse..whether the horse is capable of beating class 2 horses..if not they give unextended runs to reduce rating and try best in lower class...This is the normal practise followed by all stables around country.

Ramana October 31, 2012 at 4:44 PM  

s per vincero sir comments , i want to design a website in .asp or .jsp , exclusively for him

Anurag,  October 31, 2012 at 5:27 PM  

vinod, you did not get my point. agreed they won if they were to, but any logical explanation for y isnt there no serious action from the officials? over the years, the same has been happening.

Vincero October 31, 2012 at 7:32 PM  

@Anurag

Officials can take action only if rules are violated.There are certain rules regarding improved performance of a horse

a)A horse Which ran in same class in last three runs and failed to beat half of the field shows improvement it is bound to attract stewards action.

b)A horse which ran unplaced or failed to beat half of the field improves in next run within 7 days it is considered as breaching of calendar notification and attracts stewards action.

c)If they recieve any report from other departments against any horse which won they can initiate enquiry.

Apart from this they have full authority to question improved or dismayal performance of a horse and note the explanation given by its connections for future reference.

If you are point is that no trainer or jockey has been suspended till now for malpractises then let me make it clear here at HRC it is not done as vindicative act.All done as per merit of the case.Hopes this puts the case to rest

Vincero October 31, 2012 at 7:34 PM  

@Ramana

Sounds interesting..Let me know more about it...U can mail me on
aashish21in@gmail.com or Vinod220973@yahoo.com

papa(palleturu paleru) October 31, 2012 at 8:21 PM  

sir your selections in hyderabad is very useful for us i lost more money in racing i dont know about these things i play agins odds only first time i seen u r blog on hyd derby that day i return from race with profit thanks for that now also u published 20 chart if possible please explain about that

Anonymous,  November 1, 2012 at 7:27 PM  

Mr.Vincero

Read your article and found it really very interesting. Good Observations I can say.
Can you please high lighten me about which Pedigree loves the soft going,or loves to run in rainy season. For anonymous reasons I am not mentioning my name hope you'll understand.

anurag,  November 2, 2012 at 8:56 AM  

thanks for the clarification, different rules from the rest of the clubs, eh??

Your 20 straight win bets WILL NOT HAPPEN, i have absolutely no reason to discourage you, but thats the way its gonna be. no harm in trying, all the very best.

Vincero November 2, 2012 at 8:39 PM  

All clubs have same rule.Ever noticed how Sharat Kumar's,Puttana's horses finish way behind and then all of a sudden they win.That is classic case of overlooking by athys..

Will not happen/Will not win/Will loose..are the default things of racing.I know it is very very hard but iam still giving it a try.

Vincero November 2, 2012 at 9:00 PM  

Iam trying to give 20 continous winning bets {win or place} during Winter season.Some days i may give one,some days more than one...If any bet fails then the roll breaks down.

Vincero November 2, 2012 at 9:01 PM  

All horses love soft going.Iam not pedigree expert hence will not be able to say much on this topic.

Anonymous,  November 2, 2012 at 9:22 PM  

Mr Vinvero you are a dude, I like your attitude, it would be nice if you get that 20 winning bets roll, and whatever the case might be try to give your selections, one day your selections click and next day you disappear saying that you are busy, for me it is just acting pricy, thanks and best of luck - Mr T

papa(palleturu paleru) November 2, 2012 at 9:23 PM  

tq sir i will follow your tips if any fails please dont stop that 20tips because if one or two fails can happen this is racing no one knows what happend whwn race starts

papa(palleturu paleru) November 2, 2012 at 9:24 PM  
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Vincero November 2, 2012 at 9:32 PM  

where did u get this info from?

Vincero November 2, 2012 at 9:37 PM  

Pricy!!!!

You mean to say i deliberately dont post.Looks like i have developed "ATTITUDE" and have not realised it.

Previously i used to work on this in Nights also..now i dont..Pls understand that i need atleast 3-4hours to read card and select{however bad or good they may}.I have a work which requires my undivided attention during festival times,hence the break.

papa(palleturu paleru) November 2, 2012 at 9:40 PM  

Hyderabad Winter Races scheduled for 4th & 5th November 2012 will be held on MONSOON TRACK from hrc

Anonymous,  November 3, 2012 at 2:01 AM  

Vincero 'Will not happen/Will not win/Will loose..are the default things of racing.I know it is very very hard but I am still giving it a try' this is a very very good attitude please keep the same spirit regards - Mr T

Sathish,  November 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM  

Vinodh,

Having known you and your priorities, please post for Hyderabad alone. Other you take a call as to post or not, for I feel you are too good a blogger to be missing.

I miss you on IM though to poke for your insight. With regard to your betting plan, WIN or LOOSE I with many other visitors are with you. Have a great racing season ahead

Anurag,  November 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM  

Don't BTC & RWITC have a 21 day period & not a 7 day?

Your second reply, "Very very hard" is different from "not possible". I mentioned the latter. Still, like i said earlier, ATB for your effort. Your followers, especially the ones who do not appreciate the efforts of bloggers like you, will definitely be disappointed & will be up against you.

papa(palleturu paleru) November 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM  

why no one will have interst posting tips for kolkata if any blog is available please tell me

FunTimeKiller December 12, 2012 at 3:56 PM  

Hello, is that your sole blog or you also have some more?

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